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		<title>By: Israel Lagares</title>
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		<dc:creator>Israel Lagares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 05:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4 lamb chops all by yourself? Yikes.</description>
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		<title>By: Dominik</title>
		<link>http://www.FatManUnleashed.com/mental-punishment-a-massive-headache/comment-page-1/#comment-10559</link>
		<dc:creator>Dominik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 04:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was probably the combination of fat and salt.  I just bbq'd 4 lambchops, ate that with some rice.  Now the chops have fat on them, but I salted them and added some salt to the rice as well.  I almost never use salt (like 1x a month) and I should have remembered not to salt them and the rice. Anyway now I have a massive headache on my left side, like someone hit me in the head with a bat.

Stay away from salt and the fat. Ouch...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was probably the combination of fat and salt.  I just bbq&#8217;d 4 lambchops, ate that with some rice.  Now the chops have fat on them, but I salted them and added some salt to the rice as well.  I almost never use salt (like 1x a month) and I should have remembered not to salt them and the rice. Anyway now I have a massive headache on my left side, like someone hit me in the head with a bat.</p>
<p>Stay away from salt and the fat. Ouch&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.FatManUnleashed.com/mental-punishment-a-massive-headache/comment-page-1/#comment-3910</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole business of msg dumbfounds me. I've never heard of a person eating a packet of chips only to succumb to an intolerable headache. Or the Chinese food syndrome. But it seems that after researching this myself anecdotal evidence does exist, coupled with a healthy dose of scaremongering by the usual TV shows and authors wishing to sell a large number of book copies.

Israel, from what i can decipher, an unknown number of otherwise healthy msg intolerable people exist in the population, they usually experience symptoms 1 hr after eating 3g or more of monosodium glutamate (msg). Foods that contain msg usually only treat food with 0.5g. The question is...how big was this bag of crisps? Was it definitely 1 bag? Did you eat anything that may have contained msg before the walk?

Consuming msg in liquid form such as soup may enhance the likelihood of a reaction. Maybe the water you drank created a soup like meal?

Some anecdotal evidence shows a link between severe asthma and the msg complex. Do you have asthma?

I don't expect you to answer these questions publicly, i just hope they help you find the cause of the headache.

Also, a tip for the future, all monosodium glutamate used in food has to be labelled as msg but not all free forms of glutamate are monosodium. Therefore food manufacturers can label their food as msg free so long as it does not have monosodium glutamate within it. This does not guarantee that other forms of glutamate are not contained within the food.

Very interesting post.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole business of msg dumbfounds me. I&#8217;ve never heard of a person eating a packet of chips only to succumb to an intolerable headache. Or the Chinese food syndrome. But it seems that after researching this myself anecdotal evidence does exist, coupled with a healthy dose of scaremongering by the usual TV shows and authors wishing to sell a large number of book copies.</p>
<p>Israel, from what i can decipher, an unknown number of otherwise healthy msg intolerable people exist in the population, they usually experience symptoms 1 hr after eating 3g or more of monosodium glutamate (msg). Foods that contain msg usually only treat food with 0.5g. The question is&#8230;how big was this bag of crisps? Was it definitely 1 bag? Did you eat anything that may have contained msg before the walk?</p>
<p>Consuming msg in liquid form such as soup may enhance the likelihood of a reaction. Maybe the water you drank created a soup like meal?</p>
<p>Some anecdotal evidence shows a link between severe asthma and the msg complex. Do you have asthma?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect you to answer these questions publicly, i just hope they help you find the cause of the headache.</p>
<p>Also, a tip for the future, all monosodium glutamate used in food has to be labelled as msg but not all free forms of glutamate are monosodium. Therefore food manufacturers can label their food as msg free so long as it does not have monosodium glutamate within it. This does not guarantee that other forms of glutamate are not contained within the food.</p>
<p>Very interesting post.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Blaine Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blaine Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Growing up, I used to get cluster migraines.  Basically, I would begin hallucinating until my vision was lost (things would get blurry, or I'd see splotches of color instead of what I was looking at, or I'd see non-stop "lightning", and so on and so forth) - once my vision started to come back, then I'd get the headache part.

I actually went blind for 2 weeks once in high school from a series of migraines, but thankfully, the headaches were only as bad as a mixed drink hangover so I was able to deal with it pretty easily.  Some of the migraines I'd had when I was younger would have all of my muscles tensed for hours on end - it would take me 2 or 3 days to recover from those ones after the migraine had passed.

The two biggest catalysts were stress and caffeine - so I eliminated both.  I also found a doctor who wasn't a moron and took some drugs that helped out, but since I have low blood pressure and the side effect was to lower your blood pressure, I kept trying to wean myself away from those until I didn't need them daily anymore to keep from getting the migraines.  (Actually, I think the lower blood pressure was the primary effect for most people that took it.  Heheh.)

My guess is that you have a combination of a physical reaction to something in the chips (MSG or food coloring or whatever) and that it was magnified phsychosomatically through your guilt for getting the chips.  So, to avoid this problem in the future: Avoid binge eating, and reduce your stress and levels of anxiety.  And next time you go for a walk, carry a bag of carrot sticks or something with you so that you can snack as you walk and won't feel as tempted to visit the 7/11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Growing up, I used to get cluster migraines.  Basically, I would begin hallucinating until my vision was lost (things would get blurry, or I&#8217;d see splotches of color instead of what I was looking at, or I&#8217;d see non-stop &#8220;lightning&#8221;, and so on and so forth) - once my vision started to come back, then I&#8217;d get the headache part.</p>
<p>I actually went blind for 2 weeks once in high school from a series of migraines, but thankfully, the headaches were only as bad as a mixed drink hangover so I was able to deal with it pretty easily.  Some of the migraines I&#8217;d had when I was younger would have all of my muscles tensed for hours on end - it would take me 2 or 3 days to recover from those ones after the migraine had passed.</p>
<p>The two biggest catalysts were stress and caffeine - so I eliminated both.  I also found a doctor who wasn&#8217;t a moron and took some drugs that helped out, but since I have low blood pressure and the side effect was to lower your blood pressure, I kept trying to wean myself away from those until I didn&#8217;t need them daily anymore to keep from getting the migraines.  (Actually, I think the lower blood pressure was the primary effect for most people that took it.  Heheh.)</p>
<p>My guess is that you have a combination of a physical reaction to something in the chips (MSG or food coloring or whatever) and that it was magnified phsychosomatically through your guilt for getting the chips.  So, to avoid this problem in the future: Avoid binge eating, and reduce your stress and levels of anxiety.  And next time you go for a walk, carry a bag of carrot sticks or something with you so that you can snack as you walk and won&#8217;t feel as tempted to visit the 7/11.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe your blood pressure was really high.</description>
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		<title>By: Misha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first thought was MSG, then I thought of the salt. You said you washed it down with water, so you should have been hydrated enough. Do you normally follow a low sodium diet too?

Kimberly - excellent reply. There are so many ways we lead ourselves into making mistakes, and you nailed them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first thought was MSG, then I thought of the salt. You said you washed it down with water, so you should have been hydrated enough. Do you normally follow a low sodium diet too?</p>
<p>Kimberly - excellent reply. There are so many ways we lead ourselves into making mistakes, and you nailed them.</p>
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		<title>By: Israel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 06:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you didn't but I should have known by how you broke it down. This is the exact reason why I blog. This sort of interactivity is priceless. Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you didn&#8217;t but I should have known by how you broke it down. This is the exact reason why I blog. This sort of interactivity is priceless. Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 05:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't tell you I was a weight loss/hypnotherapist in a past life, did I?  Sometimes I miss it and think about getting back into it.  But it's a tough business to make a living at.

Hon, you made this on one easy.  Hee hee!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t tell you I was a weight loss/hypnotherapist in a past life, did I?  Sometimes I miss it and think about getting back into it.  But it&#8217;s a tough business to make a living at.</p>
<p>Hon, you made this on one easy.  Hee hee!</p>
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		<title>By: Israel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 04:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, you just broke that down like a trained pro. Thanks for making me see that. Wow. Thanks so much Kimberly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, you just broke that down like a trained pro. Thanks for making me see that. Wow. Thanks so much Kimberly.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 04:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sure it was a physical reaction as others have stated.  However, did you notice some of your language as you reported the story back to us?  You went for a walk...awesome.  But you just so happened to have some money with you and....you went by a 7/11 (I thought it was just a walk?) and you went in (now you're shopping, not walking).  And you saw your favorite chips (imagine, at a 7/11!!!) and you had some and didn't think it was too bad because it was JUST one bag?

You also said that you usually get headaches from eating junky food. Then the headache wasn't a surprise, right?

Mentally, you have guilt.  However, you 'fessed up.  And hopefully got over that wicked headache.  Now...did you get the lesson?

I betcha did, Israel. ;)  Moral of your story...walk away from the 7/11.  Don't go in the 7/11 unless you have a real purpose. Maybe don't take any money on a walk (could be risky to not but I never take any money when I go on walks). And drinking lots of water doesn't negate eating junk.  Your body was telling you very strongly that those chips are poison to your body.

But hey, I have thrown caution to the wind and eaten junk, knew it and suffered for it.  We're only human. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure it was a physical reaction as others have stated.  However, did you notice some of your language as you reported the story back to us?  You went for a walk&#8230;awesome.  But you just so happened to have some money with you and&#8230;.you went by a 7/11 (I thought it was just a walk?) and you went in (now you&#8217;re shopping, not walking).  And you saw your favorite chips (imagine, at a 7/11!!!) and you had some and didn&#8217;t think it was too bad because it was JUST one bag?</p>
<p>You also said that you usually get headaches from eating junky food. Then the headache wasn&#8217;t a surprise, right?</p>
<p>Mentally, you have guilt.  However, you &#8216;fessed up.  And hopefully got over that wicked headache.  Now&#8230;did you get the lesson?</p>
<p>I betcha did, Israel. <img src='http://www.FatManUnleashed.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Moral of your story&#8230;walk away from the 7/11.  Don&#8217;t go in the 7/11 unless you have a real purpose. Maybe don&#8217;t take any money on a walk (could be risky to not but I never take any money when I go on walks). And drinking lots of water doesn&#8217;t negate eating junk.  Your body was telling you very strongly that those chips are poison to your body.</p>
<p>But hey, I have thrown caution to the wind and eaten junk, knew it and suffered for it.  We&#8217;re only human. <img src='http://www.FatManUnleashed.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Israel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Thanks Daniel, I'm gonna ask Doctor Kal about that and do some research on it. There's gotta be some scientific research done on that right? Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, Thanks Daniel, I&#8217;m gonna ask Doctor Kal about that and do some research on it. There&#8217;s gotta be some scientific research done on that right? Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't talk to a doctor about it. But fried food, especially french fries drenched in fat, tend to give me headaches. That's just my experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t talk to a doctor about it. But fried food, especially french fries drenched in fat, tend to give me headaches. That&#8217;s just my experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Israel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, my wife ate Chinese food take out the other day and had a headache. Darned crappy food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, my wife ate Chinese food take out the other day and had a headache. Darned crappy food.</p>
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		<title>By: Israel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it the fat really? Has your doctor told you anything about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it the fat really? Has your doctor told you anything about that?</p>
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		<title>By: Israel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Israel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had no idea that could happen. Time to do some more research. Thanks for the heads up, no more chips for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had no idea that could happen. Time to do some more research. Thanks for the heads up, no more chips for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to get headaches. My doctor recommended I get away from MSG, preservatives, and food coloring.  I've pretty much cut all of those out of my diet and now the headaches are 99% gone. If you'd been eating healthy for a while, and then this sudden onset of "crap"(sorry!) rushes into your body, I would certainly categorize these items as prime suspects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to get headaches. My doctor recommended I get away from MSG, preservatives, and food coloring.  I&#8217;ve pretty much cut all of those out of my diet and now the headaches are 99% gone. If you&#8217;d been eating healthy for a while, and then this sudden onset of &#8220;crap&#8221;(sorry!) rushes into your body, I would certainly categorize these items as prime suspects.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 06:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Believe it or not, I get headache from fat. Not sugar - fat! As soon as I eat too much french fries my head starts to feel really bad. Almost the same with chips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Believe it or not, I get headache from fat. Not sugar - fat! As soon as I eat too much french fries my head starts to feel really bad. Almost the same with chips.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 04:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barbecue flavour? Could have been a double whammy of MSG/preservatives and the red food colouring on those things. Red dye gives a lot of people headaches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbecue flavour? Could have been a double whammy of MSG/preservatives and the red food colouring on those things. Red dye gives a lot of people headaches.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 04:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah it could be the msg.  Normally you would have a bit of tolerance but if you haven't eaten it for a while it can knock you back a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah it could be the msg.  Normally you would have a bit of tolerance but if you haven&#8217;t eaten it for a while it can knock you back a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: becky p</title>
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		<dc:creator>becky p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 03:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may have been the MSG in the chips.  One of the worst headaches I ever had was when I had 3 different foods all with MSG in it.</description>
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